Sunday, October 25, 2020

Why is Mornington Peninsula being treated differently than the Ballerine Peninsula when it comes to Victoria's lockdown?

When you look at the Bellarine Peninsula, which includes Geelong, the area is treated by the Victorian government as being regional for the purposes of coronavirus and the lockdown, but the Mornington Peninsula is being treated the same as metropolitan Melbourne. Based on the case numbers this doesn't make sense. 

Whilst there is a large gap between the suburbs in the west to Geelong based on distance, the reality is the area is served by a major freeway that means the actual distance isn't as relevant. The Mornington Peninsula doesn't have the large open area, but should that make a difference.

I decided to bring up a map showing the coronavirus cases in Victoria for the last 50 days.

Map showing the number of cases by postcode for the last 50 days.

You can see from the map there's only been one case in the Mornington Peninsula and two cases in the Bellarine Peninsula. So effectively little difference in the number of cases when we take into account the population difference between the two areas.

There is no reason the Victorian government can't declare the Mornington Peninsula for the purposes of the coronavirus to be effectively the same as a regional area, just as the government included the regional area of Mitchell when it made sense to the government in July.

By treating the Mornington Peninsula the same as a regional area, that part of Victoria can start to return to normal. Right now however the Mornington Peninsula is open to anyone from an area that has had cases and lives or works within 25km. That doesn't seem fair to those who live in the Mornington Peninsula area. The Mornington Peninsula is covered by a single Local Government Area so it is a well defined area.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

PS. For those who wonder why I chose 50 days, it is because I only have 51 days of data and 50 was the nearest round number.

 

Dan's Andrews mistakes with communication this week.

This week I've noticed a couple of mistakes Dan Andrews has made with his communication that is certainly impacting the morale of the Victorian citizens, but in another area creating confusion which could lead to people getting fined.

The first is the hype during the week from the press leading people to expect on Sunday the 25th of October we could hear a significant announcement, yet it didn't happen. Supposedly it didn't happen because of two days with the days cases being 7 each day. The problem is this doesn't look good. On the one hand the government is saying we'll average cases over a 14 day period (ending an additional 2 days ago) and if the figure reaches an average of 5 cases per day with 5 mystery cases the target has been reached. Yet there's been a knee jerk reaction because of the two last days. You can't, or shouldn't create a perception of a target that is averaged over a longer period of time, just to change path because of the cases number for two days. The case numbers are largely from a single known outbreak. With the number of mystery cases being 9, that's so close to 5 most people wouldn't consider the difference significant, yet the government flips as though they are in panic mode.

The problem is the government isn't taking small incremental steps. Today, even with the higher numbers, some announcements could have been made. But it wasn't and that's a concern as it indicates the government doesn't have the knowledge or skill/technology to make that happen. As a citizen that's a concern.

Even taking into account the last two days case numbers, the rolling average will still be going down. We'd need the higher case numbers to continue for probably 3-5 days for the average to start going up.

The second issue is the 25km Radius announcement the government made. I can say the extra distance is probably welcome by most people. However the four reasons to leave home appears to have been lost on people. People don't realise the four reasons still apply.

Many people don't realise you just can't go out travelling up to 25km without complying with the four reasons.

Many people don't realise that you can socialise outside with another person, just as you can exercise.

Many people don't realise the 25km radius also applies places of permitted work, where workers can use their workplace as the centre of the 25km radius.

People don't realise the going to other places hasn't started in the metro area and has only started in the regional areas.

The 25km radius message was so strong it overwhelmed the additional conditions of the four reason.

All of this means the communication from the government is failing and people are getting the wrong message.

I am constantly talking with people and letting people know what they can and can't do. These are well educated people. People with their first language as English. If these people don't know what their responsibilities and obligations are, then something is going wrong. The government needs to make sure their message is as clear as possible.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Saturday, October 24, 2020

Is the East Preston islamic College and EPIC failure of the DHHS?

My concern, and I'm sure it's a concern of others, is the opening of schools is necessary, but it also represents a huge risk of coronavirus spreading in the community. When I read the statement from the principal of the East Preston Islamic College, it does appear, probably for privacy reasons, important information is not being shared by the DHHS.

https://www.epic.vic.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/EPIC-Release-23102020-1.pdf

More can and does need to be done by the DHHS. Most schools now have a nurse on staff (East Preston Islamic College from their site appears to) and we can expect nurses to treat personal information of students as confidential. The principal doesn't even need to be informed of the details, short of perhaps letting them know the nurse is looking after an issue.

What seems to be lacking in this case is a personal schedule for the family where each member of the family is given a timeline of what is expected of them. Printed and explained. Then before any person in the family is able to return to school, the school nurses can make sure the students have been cleared for returning to school.

There is no reason this case should have occurred. It's is not the family's fault. I for one find knowing what I can do, or can't do at times quite difficult. The information provided by the government appears obscure at the best of times. Try calling someone to find out the answers and it's near impossible to get in contact with someone.

Right now the cases are extremely low. In fact so low each case could easily have a single person dedicated to the case. The idea that people will get obscure text messages from possibly private or unknown numbers just doesn't work in today's society, where you can't trust messages and calls from unknown numbers. Scammers right now are taking advantage of the situation.

This would have to be another EPIC failure of the DHHS which is a real pity. You would think after so many months of dealing with COVID-19 things like people going to school when they're potentially infected shouldn't occur. The fact that it did occur isn't the fault of the family. It's a fault of the system currently in place that enabled it to happen.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Update: 25 October 2020
9 News has a very good graphic showing the 11 households involved in the East Preston Islamic College outbreak. It is interesting to see how the outbreak originated at a hospital and has now impacted two aged care facilities (staff only at this point). The aged care facilities for the graphic are Regis Macleod and Estia Keilor. Whilst it would be a guess, the hospital outbreak is probably Box Hill. (26/10/2020 Now confirmed worker from Box Hill hospital who contracted virus from patient. Worker worked across wards infecting another staff member and patient.) The Royal Children's and Alfred have had cases around the time but based on location less likely.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-north-melboure-outbreak-everything-we-know-restrictions-delayed/437cea62-2061-4de7-8074-2e8f0e29b32d

What the graphic makes you ponder is the number of households involved. The graphic may suggest households are linked with no other connection, which may suggest households visiting each other. If this is the case, and there's no evidence given it is, it is an important example of why we should not meet each other indoors.

It's also interesting to see how many people in the one household become infected. If there's an infected person in the house it really isn't wise for everyone else to be around the infected person. Earlier stats I read indicated a person will infect 25% of people in the household before they know they're infected. After they know they're infected they're likely to infect 50% of people in the household. Of the 11 households 9 have cases, with three having the entire family infected. The longer families are together the more likely the entire family becomes infected and more cases occur.

If you think about Victoria's lockdown strategy of reopening once the state reaches 5 cases per day (14 day average), one case in a household can lead to other cases even if they're all in quarantine and there's thus no risk to the community. Just numbers of cases increasing. This cluster is 33 cases over 18 days which is nearly 2 cases per day. The hospital outbreak where this started could easily keep the entire state in lockdown. That doesn't make sense since contacts and contacts of contacts can (or should) in theory be quickly identified and quarantined.

Tuesday, October 20, 2020

25km radius gives workers far more freedom than they probably realise.

One thing I don't think Melburnians may realise is if they go to work, they're also allowed to exercise or socialise (outside) up to 25km from their work. Depending on where they work that can potentially give some people up to 50km range where they can see family and friends for exercise or socialising.

For example, say you work in the city but live in the north or eastern suburbs. That means you could potentially catch up with family and friends as far away as Werribee and down to Mordialloc.

To see where you can go put in the GPS location of your work into www.25kmRadius.com.au and you can see both your home and work locations. That's where you can travel to exercise or socialise.

Now then consider your family and friends also have the ability to travel a 25km radius from their home or work to exercise or socialise. That means you can catch up with people who potentially are up to 50km away from your work or home.

The following is from the Victorian government's website.

Metropolitan Melbourne is in Second Step restrictions. From 11:59pm 18 October 2020 a number of restrictions are easing. The changes to restrictions include:

You can now travel up to 25 km from your home or permitted workplace within metropolitan Melbourne. This replaces the 5km rule. Travel to regional Victoria is still only allowed for permitted purposes even if this is within 25 kms. This means you cannot travel into regional Victoria for exercise or recreation.

Once you realise you now have to option to travel up to 25kms from both your home and permitted workplace, and your family and friends have the same option, that really does open up so many options for all of us.

In a way it's a bit sad that this is exciting. Our freedom has been taken away from us (for good reason) and it's now fun that it's being handed back in small chunks. Just a sign of the times.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/


Monday, October 19, 2020

Why electric scooters may actually be safer than bicycles.

When I read the following article of an elderly man being hit by a bike rider it makes me think why are bicycles allowed and electric scooters aren't allowed. Both represent a degree of risk but electric scooter with their lighter weight and slower speeds are far more pedestrian friendly on shared paths.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/brisbane-retiree-left-bloodied-after-being-run-down-from-behind-by-cyclist/news-story/f63c8b9666742c652284874bb5c2fdbb

Reportedly the cyclist was going along at 22kph. Even as an elderly slow cyclist I can maintain a speed of around 18kph. In addition my bike weight around 18kg and if it was electric, probably around 20-24kg. When on an electric scooter when passing people it's usual to pass others at close to walking distance. People walking are the most unpredictable group when you're travelling. They can stop immediately and go left or right without warning. How many times do people bump into you whilst walking through shops. Imagine if every day you drove someone bumped into you!

It really doesn't make sense why we have cyclists with much heavier weights and higher speeds moving amongst pedestrians when in Victoria electric scooters aren't encouraged.

Out of interest I decided to do some very rough maths. The only thing I could think of which would allow me to compare was comparing an object's kinetic energy. Let's say you're standing still and someone else runs into you. How much kinetic energy do they have?

Assumptions

Person 70kg
Bicycle 18kg
Scooter 12kg

Walking 4km/h
Running 9.9km/h
(Used the average of 9.7 minutes per 1.6km based on data from this site.)
Scooting 15km/h
Cycling 22km/h

All the above figures are estimates and not based on any scientific evidence. In essence, used for obtaining an approximate comparison.

The formula for kinetic energy is ½mv2 where m is mass and v is velocity. The result is expressed in joules (j). Now we can calculate the kinetic energy for each situation.

Person walking 560j
Person running 3,430j
Person scooting 9,225j
Person cycling 21,296j

We can see from the above the considerably larger kinetic energy of a person cycling compare to a person using a scooter.

There will always be people that aren't considerate of others whether they're cyclists, scooters, or pedestrians. We just all need to slow down and be more considerate of each other.

Kelvin Eldridge

Sunday, October 18, 2020

25km radius web app now available for Victorians under coronavirus restrictions.

 For those who have been using my 5km Radius, the Victorian government has now announced from 11:59pm tonight, the distance restriction will be increased from 5km to 25km. Perhaps not enough for some, but for us it's great. A welcome relief in these lockdown times.

You can find the new 25km Radius web app at the following address.

www.25kmRadius.com.au

Don't forget you can share the app with others and if you send it to each other with your locations you can see where the 25km radius overlaps and that's where you can meet with family or friends for exercise or socialising.

Also, by entering your family or friends GPS location you can see where your 25km radius areas overlap. Not sure how to find your GPS location then watch the video I created at https://youtu.be/48BpoKSUe0E. In particular read the note at the end. It's an even easy method of getting a GPS location from Google maps.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/


Thursday, October 15, 2020

Crazy images of people being test in Shepparton for coronavirus.

 When I see the images of people lined up in Shepparton I can't help but think, what the heck are they thinking!

(Source: News.com.au)

I can't help thinking, if people aren't infected already, they probably are now.

Surely this type of snake line of people under an enclosed roof must increase the risk of people getting infected. Yes masks reduce the risk by about half, and outside reduces the risk by a factor of 20 (but this isn't really completely outside since there's a cover), but even so there's many dozens of people. so even if you reduce the factor by 80, if there's 100 people there together you've probably just increase the chances of someone getting infected if there's an infect person there. Worse if there's more than one.

I can't help wonder why they simply didn't set up mobile testing stations. No crowds of people together. Yes long queues of cars but that could be handle in an appropriate setting.

I for one would not risk getting tested in such a location. I honestly can't believe so many people would go out and get tested in this way.

Keep in mind most of the people will be test as negative. But if they one or more people are positive, then all these people become close contacts to those positive people, as they may then have become infected waiting to be tested and that won't show up in their test.

If we look at the maths, the R rate for coronavirus is 1.1.-1.4. That is one person goes on to infect between 1.1. and 1.4 other people on average. The case in question was in Shepparton on the 29 and 30th of September, and it is now the 15th of October, say 16 days later. Based on the R rate we could expect between 4-155 cases. When the three positive cases were reported it was the date was on the 13th when we could have expected between 3 and 79 possible cases.

What may also keep these numbers lower is Shepparton would have a more sparse population than average. Melbourne has a population density of 500 people per square kilometre whereas Shepparton has a population density of 201 per square kilometre (information from Google query). You would think that may make a difference for the number of infections.

The Victorian government has taken a different approach using a three ring strategy to isolate people. The case, their contacts and their contacts, contacts. Using that approach should quickly reduce the chances of the infection getting out of control.

Yet I still can't help thinking bringing so many people together was most likely not a good idea. What were they thinking.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Update: 15/10/2020
I noticed on today's update from the government there's three drive-through sites available so credit goes to the government.




The impact of coronavirus cases for healthcare workers on the daily average for Victoria.

One concern I have about the modelling for coronavirus in Victoria is we don't know the assumptions behind the modelling. For instance, have they taken into account the different risk profiles and how that affects the model. For example healthcare workers are by the work they do, in a very risky situation. If healthcare workers and given the same weighting in the model as everyone else, the modelling will be affected.

In plain English, should the coronavirus cases for healthcare workers be included in the model. It all depends on the assumptions made by the people who create the model and no model is perfect.

So let's look at the situation that is happening in Victoria with coronavirus cases. The graph below shows the number of cases daily, the number of cases for healthcare workers and the rolling 14 day average for the daily and healthcare cases.

It is important to note the rolling averages will differ from the government's published rolling average as the I suspect the government adjusts the cases per day retrospectively as their data is updated and corrected. Otherwise the data that is published publicly can be used as a good guide.


The rolling average lines are the orange and the yellow lines. The healthcare cases is the grey line and the daily change in cases is the blue line.

As at the 14th of October the rolling average daily cases from this data is 10.1 and for Healthcare workers the figure is 3.4.

Over the past 30 days Healthcare workers have made up 36.5% of all cases, and at over a third of cases, that's a disproportionate percentage for a single group and should thus be treated differently in a model.

The reason it's important to reflect on the situation with Healthcare workers is because by their very nature these workers are known, work in known environments and are easily traced. Around 70% of healthcare workers infections have been traced to the work environment but the number could easily be higher. Healthcare workers are not a random sample of people. To weight healthcare workers the same as the general public could cause the state to remain in lockdown longer than need be.

The secondary affect of including healthcare workers with the same weighting in the model as the general public the healthcare workers will then also go on to infect their families, and perhaps to a lesser extent friends. Healthcare workers are very well educated and know the risks. Tracing of contacts of Healthcare workers you'd expect to be quick and these contacts would generally know what they need to do. This group by its nature is well informed and you would expect the larger group would work far more quickly than the general public to contain an outbreak. What we would expect to see is infected healthcare workers infecting their family but quick containment and thus low risk to the rest of the community. A model however would only see the numbers and this again may cause Victoria to remain in lockdown longer than needed since we're using a 14 day rolling average as a guide.

Healthcare workers are playing an important and valued roll in this epidemic and this post is in no way meant to disrespect healthcare workers. This post is about highlighting the importance of the model and if the model doesn't weight healthcare workers differently then all of Victoria continues to suffer in lockdown.


Wednesday, October 14, 2020

Daniel Andrews and Brett Sutton should reconsider using phone data location tracing if someone has done something wrong.

I'm getting the feeling in the press that Dan Andrews and Brett Sutton are blaming the person for not coming forward with the information, but the problem is, the person already broke the rules by dining in a cafe in regional Victoria. That should immediately flag that further investigation needs to be done by contract tracers. So in fact no matter what this person did, the contract tracers did not follow through when a person had already done the wrong thing.

If a person does the right thing through their actions, they're showing they can be trusted. It's no one's fault a person gets infected. But if you do something wrong there could be consequences. If people do something wrong a different level of investigation should be carried out and that includes phone records. By not doing that all Victorians are being inconvenienced in lockdown and that isn't fair on those doing the right thing.

Secondly, regional businesses have to start treating every customer as a potential traveller from Melbourne. In this case the person in question supposedly, may have, had a meal in a cafe, had a meal at a restaurant, went to a golf course, went to Bunnings, had a hair cut, yet none of these businesses appears to have challenged where the person lived. If it's true and it's hard to know if the information is correct in the media, these businesses also let us all down.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/shepparton-superspreader-was-not-asked-to-hand-over-phone-data/news-story/2580946d0ce13e4cca4ba690a6f1ad2d

We are in the incredible situation where people who get infected with coronavirus can do the wrong thing and then if they're honest and forthcoming, they get away scott-free. The benefit to the community outweighs the punishment of the one. That doesn't seem right or fair, but it's what is necessary.

If people are doing the right thing it makes sense standard contract tracing should be followed. But when there's a red flag by someone that has already done the wrong thing, then surely the contract tracers should have done more.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Thursday, October 08, 2020

Contacts of contacts of coronavirus cases isolating now being trialled.

 I found it interesting in the Kilmore coronavirus cases the government is now trialling 14 day isolation of contacts of contacts of coronavirus cases. At first I thought this is a good thing, but again it appears, to me at least, the government has missed the mark.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-07/coronavirus-outbreak-kilmore-fears-more-restrictions/12736860

If someone gets infected it makes sense the close contacts isolate for 14 days. By makes sense, you still have to wonder if 14 days is really the appropriate length of time. For example people are tested after 11 days and then their isolation is over after 14 days. So why not 12 days if it now supposedly takes a day to get the test result back. I still haven't found conclusive scientific studies to indicate after how many days a coronavirus test can identify a person is infected. Early on the figure was 95% certainty after 5 days. More recently the median was reported as 8 days. Reportedly there's around 97% certainty after 14 days and if that's true, that still means 3 cases per 100 could be positive. I have a feeling this information is probably available somewhere.

Back to the point. I think it is very good that contacts of contacts are now asked to isolate. This should have been done months ago. But once the contact of the positive case is shown to be negative, then really should the contacts of the contacts still be isolated? What is the probability of the contact of the case developing coronavirus once they've tested negative? Then what is the probably of the contact of a contact that has initially tested negative becoming positive. I can only guess the probably would have to be very low.

To have contacts of contacts isolate for 14 days once the initial contact has test negative and results are known, should probably mean all their contacts no longer need to isolate.

I do feel the government has made progress by asking contacts of contacts to isolate (taken far too long to get to that point), but it does make sense for contacts of contacts to isolate until the result for the initial positive case contact is known. From earlier media reports contacts of contacts did not have to isolate at all, which I don't think was a good approach.

No matter what the government does, what you do is your choice. For us if someone we know needs to get tested, if we know one of their contacts, we won't go near that contact until we know the result of for the person they've been in contact with.

If the test was positive and we'd been in contact with their cases contact, we'd isolate until the contact was tested and their results were back as negative. If the result of the contact was positive we'd isolate for 14 days and also get tested. We would let anyone we knew that had been in contact with us we'd been in contact with a positive case, so they could isolate immediately and wait until we received our test result.

There are many things which makes it harder and one thing is false negatives. That means people think they've not infected when they actually are infected. Luckily percentage wise this is relatively low.

The rough timeline that I think is important to consider is:

1. Person is known to have coronavirus and is thus positive.

2. The person may have taken 2-3 days before symptoms appeared, or not symptoms may have appeared at all. It is important to take into account contact with a person before they were known to be positive. Also it takes 1-2 days to get test results back. People may also wait a day or two after they get initial symptoms before they get tested. Overall this could mean 5-7 days for a person that is positive since they were infected.

3. Contacts of a positive person should probably to wait 2-3 days before being tested to ensure they would have a sufficient viral load to provide a reliable result.

4. Contacts of contacts then also need to wait 2-3 days before being tested to see if they are infect. It's here there's a problem because typically contacts of contacts, if I'm correct, have typically not been able to get tested. This is where we have a hole in our approach to containing coronavirus. I suspect the best we can hope for is if we are a contact of a contact, then if the contact of the positive case gets a negative result, there's a very high probability the contact of a contact would also be negative.

Based on the above it would then probably be wise for contacts of contacts to isolate for at least 3 days, but preferably up to 5 days as this is when symptoms, if they are to show, will have shown.

In summary, the important period for a positive case is the period of up to 7 days before they are known to be positive. If you've been a close contact during this period then you should isolate for 14 days. As a contact of a contact if the contact is negative then it would be prudent to isolate for 3-5 days, but if they are positive then you become the close contact of a positive cases and should then isolate for 14 days. The missing component from the government's coronavirus control strategy has been contacts of contacts. Since it is missing, then it is up to ourselves as contacts of contacts to do what we feel is right in the interests of everyone..

Finally, one thing I noticed in some articles for Kilmore were pictures with long queues of people waiting to be tested. Yes they were wearing masks, yes they were social distancing, yes they were outside, but the type of masks only reduce the risk by half and when you have a large number of people together for an extended period of time, the risk of infection increases. If possible opt for being tested using a drive through facility, Whilst there's no proof of anyone being infected waiting for tests, there's been thousands of Victorians infect where they don't know the source. Best to be as safe as possible.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/


Wednesday, October 07, 2020

Lessons from The Butcher Club and Oddfellows Cafe with respect to coronavirus

 There's no doubt both The Butcher Club at Chadstone and Oddfellows Cafe in Kilmore have been affected by coronavirus. I couldn't help after reading the articles there's a couple of lessons that could be learnt.

The Butcher Club at Chadstone Shopping Centre

The manager of The Butcher Club at Chadstone Shopping Centre said in the article he felt it was a bit strange only one cleaner came.

https://headtopics.com/au/poor-decision-chadstone-outbreak-linked-to-frankston-cleaner-who-failed-to-self-isolate-16010661

That should have been a clue to ask more questions. If you think something is strange, it probably is.

Oddfellows Cafe in Kilmore

The owner of the cafe was devastated and angry after trying so hard to keep the business open during these difficult times.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/odd-fellows-cafe-owner-in-regional-victoria-angry-over-melbourne-covid-case-c-1364542

From the article the person from Melbourne was granted permission to care for someone in Kilmore.

The first problem is one of education. The person from Melbourne has to abide by the stage 4 restrictions in Melbourne, which means only having take-away food, not dining in. Either the person simply ignored their obligations or didn't know. People who are from Melbourne need to be educated and signal they are aware of their obligations if they obtain a permit to travel to regional Victoria.

Whilst I can't be certain this case was also connected to a Tyre business some hour and a half away in Benalla. There's no enough information to see if these locations are connected, but they are a significant distance from each other.

The lesson is that business owners in regions should probably check the licence of customers that are dining to ensure they are not from Metropolitan Melbourne. Perhaps signs should be displayed to educated customers that if they are from Melbourne, takeaway only is available.

It's easy in hindsight to think these actions should have been done, but it's not easy to think of everything, but we can learn from each other.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Tuesday, October 06, 2020

Officeworks click and collect - real-time drive video of collecting purchase.

 It's interesting to see which businesses are good at handling click and collect. We jokingly say if you order from a company that uses Australia Post, it's click and forget. But with click and collect, if the stock is available, you'll generally get it by the next day.

In this case I ordered a software updated from Officeworks on via the internet to be collected. It was Thursday night so it was expected I'd have to wait until Saturday and was advised the item would be available Saturday. To my pleasure I received a notification early Friday the item was ready for collection.

The service was very good. The only issue I have with click-and-collect is often the location you pick up the item is not clearly signed. This was true for Officeworks at Doncaster. I entered via the Tram Road entrance and there was nothing to indicate where I should go for the click and collect pick up. Not a big deal since I drove the only way customers are supposed to go and found the tent quite easily.

Because I have a dashcam I thought I'd share the experience I recorded. You can find the video on YouTube at the following location.

https://youtu.be/fLuPeTOtGiM

Hope it helps in some way.

Kelvin Eldridge

Friday, October 02, 2020

Proof indicating there's been cases of coronavirus infections on Qantas flights.

I remember reading in the media where there was no proof that people had been infected whilst flying in Australia. Now we have fairly clear evidence from the CDC in America. The flight was on the 19th of March and was the Qantas flight QF577 that left Sydney for Perth. There were 243 passengers, 60 that were infected from cruise ships and 11 that were suspect to have been infected during the flight.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/10/02/jetstar-social-distancing/

To say that you can't catch coronavirus on a flight is now something that can't easily be said as there's evidence that points to the contrary.

It was interesting to read this article as it highlights so many issues we have in Australia. Flying is an activity where you are placed very close to other people. The article for the link above was about a doctor that was removed from the Jetstar plane for asking if they could move to where they felt safer. From their own statement they didn't cause an issue, was submissive, but was still removed from the plane.

I understand the air hostess's point of view that because of tracing people can't move. But that's an issue with their system. There should be a way for people to move and for that to be recorded in the system for later contract tracing if required.

Surely masks should be mandatory on all flights.

The real concern is that people can't ask for something something without fear of heavy handed law enforcement.

The good thing is we know this is the current situation in Australia. For me it will be long time until I decide to fly again. It's good that people share their experience so we can be informed and adjust for this rather difficult time.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Update: 5 November 2020
Research article indicating infections occurred whilst flying.
https://research-repository.uwa.edu.au/en/publications/flight-associated-transmission-of-severe-acute-respiratory-syndro