Petrol price hike Melbourne. Petrol prices appear to be hiking to 118.9. Update 135.9.

Yesterday I noticed a number of petrol stations around Melbourne had increased their unleaded price to 118.9. I couldn't help but wonder if this is the start of the price hike. It is hard to tell because the hike is around 20 cents per litre and I've not seen such a small hike before. Previously prices were hiking over 40-45 cents per litre and before that they regularly hiked around 25-30 cents per litre. To see such a relatively small hike is a bit perplexing. Why so small? I simply don't know.

The wholesale price (average gate price) in Melbourne yesterday was 97.2. The price was up to 97.7 on Wednesday after gradually increasing from the low 80 cent range.

If the price hike is occurring, I suspect the price will take a while to come through and may be in full swing by the end of next week.

In essence, it's time again to keep an eye on petrol prices.

One recent change from 7 Eleven I thought was interesting is you no longer need to have money on an account to lock in their fuel price for a week. This means anyone can now download the 7 Eleven Fuel app, sign up and lock in low prices for a week. Have two people in the family lock in prices at different times and there's no longer the stress of wondering if you have left locking in as long as possible. That certainly makes the 7 Eleven Fuel app even more useful. Now spending the remaining credit I have on the Fuel app isn't going to be easy, but 7 Eleven have stated they'll send information about transferring the money to a gift card so I can still use the remaining money.

Kelvin Eldridge

Petrol Prices Melbourne

Update: 3/06/2020

Today the new price hike appears to now be going up to 135.9 cents per litre. Because of the coming long weekend it's extra important to keep an eye on petrol prices. It's hard to say if there's going to be a quick increase across the board, or a slow and steady increase. The long weekend would normally mean prices would go up quickly across the board, but there's a high probability people may still not be going away, so the long weekend isn't that important to the petrol retailers at the moment. We'll soon see what the future brings.

Can you catch coronavirus on a plane?

Recently I read this article where Alan Joyce, the CEO of Qantas in terms of catching coronavirus on aircraft stated, "So we have no evidence of that ever occurring on Qantas aircraft or worldwide.". Alan Joyce was defending the lack of social distancing on flights to prevent coronavirus.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-20/coronavirus-qantas-alan-joyce-defends-flights-social-distancing/12265520

That's an interesting comment as it indicates the risk of catching coronavirus is quite low. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but from the evidence Qantas on Qantas aircraft has they have no evidence.

One important point is the article states, "We then traced all the passengers, next to them [and] in front of them ... and nobody on all aircraft has known transmission."

There's a couple of problems with this. First what about other passengers on the aircraft, not just the people in front and next to them. Also what about asymptomatic people who may be spreading coronavirus. When there's a qualification that limits following up to immediately adjacent people and not the entire aircraft it does raise the suspicion as to whether

The reality is I doubt anyone, anywhere, knows the exact place and time they were infected. Yes, they can know they likely got it at some time by being around an infected person, but it's impossible to know exactly when and where to the second it occurred.

The second point is Qantas aircraft was specifically mentioned. Not Qantas flights which can be planes by other companies. 

I read recently of a person who believe they were infected via their eyes when they were flying. Again this person may have been infected in some other way, but that is what they believe. Keep in mind he felt unwell three days after flying. The incubation period is typically 4-5 days to 14 days.

https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavirus/dr-joseph-fair-contracts-covid-19-through-his-eyes-c-1039050

I thought the following articles relating to aircraft seating, airflow and coronavirus were interesting.

Perhaps the most interesting video as it shows two cases where 17 and 22 people were infected with prior epidemics when flying on planes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjq2BoAF0JA&feature=youtu.be

This article shows the position of vents and air extraction vents.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/2020/04/22/how-coronavirus-spread-in-one-restaurant-shows-why-air-travel-is-safer-than-you-think/#26bdb3811972

Simulation of movement of a sneeze inside and aircraft.

https://www.popsci.com/article/science/how-sneeze-particles-travel-inside-airplane/

This article does not take into account airflow.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/01/how-coronavirus-spreads-on-a-plane/

Another simulation of airflow in a plane.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11515199/terrifying-video-coughing-plane-coronavirus/

I hope the above is useful information. 

Personally I won't be flying for some time. The problem I see is for airlines it's about getting business and whilst that's in their interest, it may not be in mine. If I did fly I'd wear a mask. Less likely but possibly I'd wear some glasses, although perhaps a sleeping mask and a nap would be a good option. If possible sit close to the window, but since I fly with my wife, I usually let her have the window seat. Sitting forward in the plane also appears to be a better option, although not always possible. Avoid sitting in the middle, with the second choice being towards the rear. Have a seat away from the toilets. It may even be extra cautious and not eat or drink on the plane. There's no evidence, but to me that increases touching surfaces. If I did eat or drink it would be something I brought myself. Sanitising my hands as soon as possible after flying, but not using the toilets at the airport sine they're closed areas with limited airflow. Keeping the seat upright keeps me further from the person behind who is more likely to be breathing and thus causing airflow towards me rather than the person in front. At the airport I'd look for ways to stay away from people and crowded areas. Waiting in pen areas, or even better outside areas.

The above are just my thoughts. To me this is about thinking about what I can do to improve my and my family's safety, not necessarily listening to others have may have their own agendas.

Kelvin Eldridge

www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Received an email from a hacker which displays my actual password.

A number of people have let me know they've received blackmail emails where the scammer has sent them an email and the email includes their actual password.

First, most of these emails are a scam designed to scare people and to get people to do what they want them to do. That is usually to pay a ransom in bitcoin.

Is the password really the person's password. Yes it is.

Did they really infect the person's computer and get their password whilst doing something embarrassing such as watching porn? The answer is almost certainly not. It is possible, but very, very unlikely.

How then did the scammers get the passwords?

Many popular sites have been hacked and the usernames (email addresses) and passwords stolen. This may have been done some time ago, but since people tend to keep using the same password across multiple accounts with the same email address, if one account gets hacked then if you're using the same email address and password across a number of accounts. then all accounts in effect can be accessed. A hacker only needs to use an automated tool (or low cost labour) and test the credentials on the major sites and they'll be able to get into many sites. They are not targeting you personally, to them you're just a numbers game. The more accounts they try the more they'll get into.

I've always felt using your email address was a bad change that occurred in security. In the past a username was not your email address, but a username you nominated. Once the trend set in to use the email address as the username, half the security was lost. It's like having a security door and your front door, both with locks and then leaving the security door unlocked. In effect one of the two points of home security is lost. The same is true when an email address is used as a username. Our email address is used and known by many around us. It's very easy to check using a very simple program if an email address is valid. In effect an email address becomes public. So instead of having a username and password stopping people, you only have the password.

Given people are not that different even if we think we're using a difficult password, chances are hundreds or even thousands of others are using exactly the same password. If you use a common or easy password that can be tested in combination with your email address. That requires work. However if large sites get hacked the encrypted passwords are stolen and given time, they can be worked out. The hacker then has both the username and password. The scammer uses this information to send you an email, which to you can be quite scary.

I decided to do a quick check and find some of the sites that have been hacked in the past. If you're using any of these sites and haven't changed your password recently, you really should.

What else should you do.

If you can sign up to a site using a username (not an email address) that you create and a password you create, they're more secure than using your email address as a username. That's also better than signing up with your Facebook account or Google account. Those who sign up with a service like Facebook or Google (e.g. Gmail) to access services risk all their services if their account on Google or Facebook becomes known. Even worse, if you use the same email address and password on Facebook and Google services as you do on other services.

Next use a unique, difficult and different password on every service you join. Yes, it's a pain, but absolutely necessary.

As for password generators I personally don't trust them. Others do, but I don't. Password generating software has been hacked as well. Letting your passwords get saved by your browser is also something I don't do. Browsers can get hacked.

The following is a link to a site which recently posted an article on the number of unique accounts (email address and passwords) they've collected from various nefarious sources. Remember hackers sell this information to make money and in doing so, have to make the information available. In total they've collected 773 million and more being added. When you have that level of information you can pull out the most commonly used passwords people used. I once did this for mobile phone pin numbers and found by using the top 100 pin numbers you could in theory, on average, unlock one in every six mobile phones your tried. A similar approach can be used with passwords.

https://www.troyhunt.com/the-773-million-record-collection-1-data-reach/

On this site you can supposedly check if your email address has been found in a hacked database and further, you can check if your password is known, or one of the common passwords. I'd highly recommend you do not use any service to check your email address or password. You simply don't know who you are giving that information to. Even if I ran a service I'd still suggest that people didn't use it. That's why I don't provide such a service.

Assume that your email address is known. There's nothing you can do about that. If you've been using the same password for some time it's time you changed it. Assume your email address / password combination has been hacked somewhere. If you can, sign up to services that use a username that isn't an email address. Think about using different email addresses for different types of services. For really important services that present considerable risk (e.g. banks) make the extra effort not to use a username or password combination you've used elsewhere and make sure you update it regularly. Keep in mind, even updating a username/password may represent a risk if you have an infected computer. The password that was previously not known is now replaced with a password that is known, if you're computer is infected at the time of updating.

Security does take some effort but in the end it's worth the effort.

Here's a short list of some of the hacked sites and the articles where mentioned.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/11/620_million_hacked_accounts_dark_web/
Dubsmash (162 million),
MyFitnessPal (151 million)
MyHeritage (92 million)
ShareThis (41 million)
HauteLook (28 million)
Animoto (25 million)
EyeEm (22 million)
8fit (20 million)
Whitepages (18 million)
Fotolog (16 million)
500px (15 million)
Armor Games (11 million)
BookMate (8 million)
CoffeeMeetsBagel (6 million)
Artsy (1 million)
DataCamp (700,000)

The below site lists many sites that have been hacked. I've listed a few of the one's that stand out to me.
https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites
Adobe (152 million)
Ancestry (279 thousand)
Ashley Madison (31 million)
Avast (423 thousand)
Bitly (9.3 million)
Canva (137 million)
Disqus (17 million)
Dropbox (68 million)
Elance (1.3 million)
Imgur (1.7 million)
Kickstarter (5 million)
Last.fm (37 million)
LinkedIn (164 million)
MySpace (359 million)
Neopets (26 million)
Snapchat (4 million)
Trillian (3 million)
Tumblr (65 million)
Zomato (16 million)

The above list is not conclusive. If you are wondering if a site you use has been hacked then do a search in Google for the site name and the word hacked. See if anything comes up and if it does, it's time to think about changing the password.

Out of curiosity I decided to search for the top 100 passwords. If your password is on the list, well, what can I say. Time to put more effort into security. The Forbes site had the following list. (Credit https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/12/14/ranked-the-worlds-100-worst-passwords/#11dab34f69b4)

12345
123456
123456789
test1
password
12345678
zinch
g_czechout
asdf
qwerty
1234567890
1234567
Aa123456.
iloveyou
1234
abc123
111111
123123
dubsmash
test
princess
qwertyuiop
sunshine
BvtTest123
11111
ashley
00000
000000
password1
monkey
livetest
55555
soccer
charlie
asdfghjkl
654321
family
michael
123321
football
baseball
q1w2e3r4t5y6
nicole
jessica
purple
shadow
hannah
chocolate
michelle
daniel
maggie
qwerty123
hello
112233
jordan
tigger
666666
987654321
superman
12345678910
summer
1q2w3e4r5t
fitness
bailey
zxcvbnm
fuckyou
121212
buster
butterfly
dragon
jennifer
amanda
justin
cookie
basketball
shopping
pepper
joshua
hunter
ginger
matthew
abcd1234
taylor
samantha
whatever
andrew
1qaz2wsx3edc
thomas
jasmine
animoto
madison
0987654321
54321
flower
Password
maria
babygirl
lovely
sophie
Chegg123

I hope others find this information a timely reminder to think about their passwords and how they're used across multiple sites.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.OnlineConnections.com.au

Electric scooters should be legal to help people travel during the time of coronavirus.

I have to admit I like electric scooters. They're fun to ride and they get you outdoors. As an older person I find the electric scooter as a wheeled recreational device (not riding on roads unless necessary) is safer than riding a bike on the road, but I have to admit, I think there should be guidelines and restrictions on their use.

I feel for a while a lot of people won't feel safe travelling on public transport with larger groups of people, I know I don't, so using an electric scooter for the last few kilometres of a trip to work or the shops will help people get and give them and their family peace of mind.

The following are a list of rules I feel should apply to electric scooters. I know others will see them as road vehicles but I personally don't. I see them as a wheeled recreational device.

1. Everyone should wear a helmet when using an electric scooter for their own safety.
2. Pedestrians come first. Only overtake a pedestrian if there's just one pedestrian. If there's two or more pedestrians walking astride, then dismount from the electric scooter and walk past with the scooter until it is safe to remount. (Upon a scooter rider ringing a bell pedestrians should attempt to move to one side, as they do for bikes on shared paths, so the rider can pass.)
3. Let pedestrians know you're approaching by using a bell, as there's nothing worse than a startled and unpredictable pedestrian.
4. Limit speed to maximum around 10kph or slower when around pedestrians. The current maximum of speed of around 25km/h is OK at other times, although as for any mode of moving, common sense should be used to adjust the speed to suit the conditions.
5. Electric scooters shouldn't be ridden on roads, except for short distances in the same way regular scooters can be ridden.
6. Electric scooters should be treated as a wheeled recreational device and obey the same laws.
7. Electric scooters should be able to be used on bike paths as per a wheeled recreational device.
8. Electric scooters should be able to used on walking paths as a recreational wheeled device.
9. People should not use electric scooters if affected by drugs or alcohol.

By treating an electric scooter as a wheeled recreational device they can be used safely and the rules are well known.

When I see electric scooters on the road it concerns me and it doesn't look safe because of cars. As with wheeled recreational devices, the only time an electric scooter should be used on a road is when it isn't practical to use on the road related area. For example when the road related area is unmade. (Road related has the meaning of not the road but things associated with the road such as naturestrips and paths.)

The one area I haven't quite decided on is whether or not electric scooters should be able to be used in bike lanes. I do think they should be allowed to use a bike lane when the bike lane is well defined. But when bike lanes finish and bikes would normally share the road with cars, this is where I don't feel the electric scooter should be used. In other words, if a bike lane finishes the electric scooter should revert to using the footpath area and not the road.

It should be illegal to use an electric scooter whilst under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The reason is a large percentage of electric scooter users involved in accidents are affected by drugs or alcohol. If you look at the number of electric scooter accidents with a person is using a helmet and not being affected by drugs or alcohol, the number is very low making an electric scooter quite safe. The majority of accidents where people are injured occur when people aren't wearing a helmet and/or are affected by drugs or alcohol.

I thought I'd pen my thoughts on using an electric scooter because I feel the legislation needs to be amended to cater for electric scooter users and electric scooter users need clear guidelines and rules on how electric scooters can be used and integrated into our society.

It also concerns me that local governments are creating laws for electric scooter rental companies so the local councils can make money through fees. The laws should be made for everyone, not just for big companies or local councils to make money. Laws need to be, and seen to be, independent and fair.

As people start returning to work the electric scooter is ideally placed to help people get to work. People can drive close to work and then use the electric scooter for the last few kilometres. This can make getting to work more cost effective. Electric scooters are better than bikes for this purpose due to their size which makes them easy to take into work and to store. Bikes are more difficult to transport and store.

Electric scooters are also better when used with public transport. A small fold-up bike is still far too bulky for use on buses or trams. Yes you can use them in this way but they can easily block access by other public transport users. Even in trains the electric scooter takes up far less space than a bike.

From a security point of view I feel an electric scooter is easier to ensure it is safe and secure. With a bike locked up in a public area there's a high risk of the bike being stolen or damaged. I've tested leaving two bikes locked in public places and both were stolen. Because of the smaller size the electric scooter does not need to be left in a public area and can be generally be secured in the work location.

I hope my thoughts help in some way.

Kelvin Eldridge

Update: 24/05/2020
Below is a picture of my 20" bike folded and in its bag. I tried very hard to keep it close and out of the way of other bus passengers. The bike even though its folder still takes up over half the width of the walking isle. One elderly person still managed to kick it and wasn't happy at all. It's hard to take a folded bike on a bus, but very easy to take a folded scooter, although a folded scooter still does take up some space. I'd much prefer to take a folding scooter over a folding bike onto public transport.

Update: 3 March 2021

Upon further thinking over the idea of electric scooters using bike lanes on roads (not bike paths), I feel for simplicity and safety, electric scooters shouldn't use bike lanes on roads. The temptation for people using bike lanes that end, to continue on the road, I feel would be extremely high.

Interesting article on Victoria's coronavirus cluster using genomic sequencing.

I thought the following article was interesting. The article shows the clusters based on their genomic sequence which as I read it means they've come from the same source. From looking at the number of cases in Victoria this research was done in early April when there were a little over 1,200 cases. The data is from about 75% of the cases.

This data was before the largest cluster in Victoria occurred which occurred at Cedar Meats. If would be interesting to see how the clusters would look with more recent data.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/dozens-of-covid-19-clusters-found-in-victoria-new-report-reveals-20200519-p54ug3.html

The following article was used to estimate the date from the number of cases in Victoria.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/may/20/coronavirus-active-cases-australia-data-update-how-many-new-numbers-today-map-stats-statistics-hotspots-postcode-covid-19-deaths-death-toll

I hope others find this article interesting as well.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Added links to videos for Speed Cameras and Red Light Cameras in NSW

For Victoria I've been able to record and add dashcam videos for red light cameras and speed cameras to the Speed Camera Locations site located at www.SpeedCameraLocations.com.au. For some locations I haven't yet been able to visit, I've been able to find others have already made videos available of their driving which also include the speed camera or red light camera. For example locations in regional Victoria. I hope to eventually get to the rural areas, but at this stage linking to other people's videos enables people to easily access a video of the location and helps promote the effort of the people who have taken and shared their videos on YouTube.

With border lockdowns across Australia it's unlikely I'm going to drive to NSW or SA anytime soon so finding and linking to videos people have shared from NSW and SA is a good option for people interested in red light cameras and speed cameras in those states.

Last night I added quite a few links to videos for locations in NSW. Please keep in mind sometimes the cameras can be on the opposite side of the road, on the corner opposite as the car is taking the turn, and sometimes, it may be visible on the corner of the street the car is driving across. Whilst I personally like to take videos from the driver's perspective as they are driving through the red light camera or speed camera, in the case of videos created by other people this isn't always possible. My feeling however is it is better to have a video of the location than no video at all.

The following is a list of the locations for the red light cameras and speed cameras added yesterday.

Hume Highway and Hoxton Park Road,Liverpool (Opposite side of road)

Copeland Street / Hume Highway and Elizabeth Drive,Liverpool (Opposite side of road)

Cumberland Highway and Cabramatta Road West Northbound,Cabramatta West

Cumberland Highway and Cabramatta Road West Southbound,Cabramatta West (Opposite side or road)

Cumberland Highway and St Johns Road Southbound,Canley Heights / Cabramatta (Opposite side of road)

Cumberland Highway and Canley Vale Road Northbound,Canley Heights

Cumberland Highway and The Horsley Drive,Smithfield (Opposite side of road)

Merrylands Road and Sherwood Road,Merrylands West (Around corner on opposite side)

Arthur Street and Centenary Drive,Homebush West / Strathfield (In left street)

Homebush Bay Drive and M4 Eastbound On Ramp,Homebush West

Lane Cove Road and Coxs Road Northbound,North Ryde (Obscured by bus)

Lane Cove Road and Coxs Road Southbound,North Ryde (Centre of road)

Ryde Road and Lady Game Drive,West Pymble (Centre of road on other side)

Northern Distributor, between Towradgi Road and Railway Street Southbound,Corrimal

Northern Distributor, between Towradgi Road and Railway Street Northbound,Corrimal

Princes Highway, between Grevillea Park Road and Black Diamond Place Northbound,Bulli

Princes Highway, between Grevillea Park Road and Black Diamond Place Southbound,Bulli

Great Western Highway and Marsden Street,Parramatta

Great Western Highway and Coleman Street / Hawkesbury Road Westbound,Mays Hill

Great Western Highway and Coleman Street / Hawkesbury Road Eastbound,Mays Hill (Opposite side of road)

Great Western Highway and Station Street,Wentworthville

Great Western Highway, between The Valley Road and Sun Valley Road,Valley Heights (Opposite side of road)

Pennant Hills Road, between Castle Street and Bellevue Street Northbound,North Parramatta

Pennant Hills Road, between Masons Drive and Suttor Avenue Northbound,North Parramatta / Oatlands

Pennant Hills Road, between Masons Drive and Suttor Avenue Southbound,North Parramatta / Oatlands

Pennant Hills Road, between Evans Road and Coleman Avenue,Carlingford

Pennant Hills Road and Beecroft Road,Pennant Hills

Pennant Hills Road and The Comenarra Parkway / Parkes Street,Thornleigh

Thomas Street and Metcalfe Street,Wallsend (Opposite side of road)

Griffiths Road and Turton Road,Lambton

Sydney Harbour Tunnel, between Cahill Expressway and Warringah Freeway Southbound,Sydney

Eastern Distributor , between Oxford Street and William Street Southbound,Darlinghurst

Kingsway, between Sylva Avenue and University Road Eastbound

Kingsway, between Sylva Avenue and University Road Westbound (Opposite side of road)

The Kingsway and Port Hacking Road

Captain Cook Drive, between Cawarra Road and Gannons Road

Captain Cook Drive and Foreshore Boulevard Eastbound

Captain Cook Drive and Foreshore Boulevard Westbound (Opposite side of road)

Hopefully you'll find these videos to be useful. You can easily view the video by clicking on the marker for the camera location which takes to the detail page. On the detail page for the camera location are links to the dashcam video if available, as well as other links to the location using Google Maps, Google Maps aerial view, Google Maps Street View.

With videos if the video is short, around 30 seconds to a couple of minutes, it is usually of just the section of road. If the video is long the video is started approximately 15 seconds before the camera is visible and continues for as long as your wish to continue watching. You can rewind and fast forward through the video to find what you are looking for.

One additional change I made yesterday is the marker I use on the map for speed camera locations. The marker is a camera. If the camera has a white lens there is no video. If the camera has a red lens a video is available. The following are two examples of the markers with the red and white lenses.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.SpeedCameraLocations.com.au

New locate speed camera location feature added to Speed Camera Locations site.

One thing I miss when using the Speed Camera Locations site is the ability to quickly find a speed camera or red light camera. Yes you can move around the map, but to me that feels a bit cumbersome. If you don't know the area it can be hard to find the location on a map.

Whenever I read posts on the internet with people having a problem with a speed camera or red light camera, I like to check out the location out and see if the same problem may affect others. I've learnt quite a few things this way I wouldn't have otherwise known. The cameras are often in areas or other states and not in area I'd normally know. An ability to quickly find the location based on the street or suburb would make things much easier.

For that reason I've now added to each of the pages for VIC, NSW and SA, the ability to locate a camera. You can find the locate option underneath the zoom buttons located below the map.

When you click on the locate link you'll go to the  Locate page. On the page you'll be able to enter the location or part of the location. For example you could enter the suburb, street, or part of the suburb or street name. You'll then be presented with a list of cameras which contain the text you entered. From the list of cameras you can now click on the link for the camera and go to the detail page for the camera. On the detail page you can then explore the area where the camera is located using Google Maps, Google Maps aerial view, Google Maps Street View, and if available, watch a dash cam video showing the camera and nearby area.

It should be noted the locate feature is only for the current state you are viewing on the site. The design of Speed Camera Locations is each state is kept separate so the locate feature is also kept separate for each state.

I hope this additional facility makes it easier to use the Speed Camera Locations site.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.SpeedCameraLocations.com.au 

Ruby Princess compared with Cedar Meats coronavirus / COVID-19 outbreaks in terms of percentage infected.

There is no doubt the Ruby Princess coronavirus outbreak has been devastating. I'm always aware when travelling on a cruise there's a probability of getting the norovirus, gastro, etc., but I don't think anyone would have anticipated just how bad the coronavirus would hit cruise ships.

There's been a number of environments where coronavirus outbreaks have been particularly bad. Often these are places where there's a considerable number of people in close proximity for a period of time.

I started to wonder how does the outbreak on the Ruby Princes compare with the outbreak at Cedar Meats. More specifically how many passengers were infected on the Ruby Princess compared with how many staff at Cedar Meats were infected, as opposed to how many additional contacts were infected.

According to the following article with the Ruby Princess there were more than 440 (let's say 440) infected passengers out of 2,700 passengers that were allowed to disembark.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/31/more-than-400-coronavirus-cases-australia-total-ruby-princess-cruise-shipj

So far (as at the 14th of May) Cedar Meats have had 64 staff confirmed with COVID-19. It was earlier reported that all 350 staff were to be tested. New cases may still be identified.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-updates/live-coverage/09f8ee7d306d3800c277bb0c8aa858db

This now gives us our figures were can compare.

For the Ruby Princess as a passenger, the percentage of passengers infected was 16.2%.

For Cedar Meats as a staff member, the percentage of staff members infected was 18.3%.

This is certainly not the outcome I would have expected. I am sure there have been and are outbreaks that whilst smaller in terms of number, but percentage wise have been far greater than the outbreak on the Ruby Princess.

I don't know about others, but putting things into perspective often helps in making better decisions, to understand what is going on around me.


Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Update: 16/05/2020
I thought I'd add the statistics for Newmarch House in NSW. According to their site (https://www.anglicare.org.au/what-we-offer/residential-aged-care/residential-aged-care-locations/kingswood/) there's 102 residents and as of May 13,  there were 37 residents (https://thepulse.org.au/2020/05/13/covid-19-statistics-for-nsw-may-13/) who were infected. The percentage of residents infected so far has thus been 36.3 per cent.

Thoughts on the COVIDSafe app

This post has been created to enable me to collect and collate information about the COVIDSafe app which I feel is interesting and may interest others.

When people ask me what do I think about the COVIDSafe app, which usually means in terms of whether they should install it or not, I don't have a clear answer.

In an ideal world where nothing goes wrong you could install anything. But the world isn't ideal and things do go wrong.

Personally I will hold off installing the app. At this stage that's not a big issue because whilst the COVIDSafe app may be available for download and installation, the data cannot get to those who would need to use it to assist with tracking. That part for whatever reason is not yet complete so the whole system is not complete.

For Apple iPhone users the app at this point is of limited value. If the COVIDSafe app is not active and the screen unlocked, the app doesn't work as it should. Apple needs to update their operating system and that's going to happen, but probably only when Apple and Google launch their own contact tracing apps.

I also have a concern on the design of the app which means the large collection of data on Australians will be occurring and to me that is a concern. That COVIDSafe app also collects data that isn't really required and may even be a risk for some people.

The COVIDSafe app is designed to store data centrally on Amazon servers (reportedly costing around three quarters of a million dollars). The data is stored in Australia, but Amazon is an overseas country and as such answers to an overseas country, the United States. Hackers also have no concern for borders. Keep in mind up to 10% of people working in organisations that have access to the data may not be as law abiding as the rest of us. In the 911 bombings Homeland Security found 3% of people were too dangerous to let on planes and up to 10% in total needed to be stopped before being let onto planes. To have access to data that links people to other people at such a detailed level stored online can only be a concern. Thinking it through the design of the COVIDSafe app could have been completely decentralised. All the data gathered could have been encrypted and held on the mobile phone and accessed if and when required by contract tracers. There would be no reason to register any data to use the app. The fact the government has chosen not to go that way means they have reasons for not doing that, that we don't know about.

Data registered with the app is your mobile number, an age range and your postcode. None of this data is necessary if the data was stored locally. In addition, from what I've read, the app stores in the logs for the app the type of phone a person connects to. By inspecting the logs it may be possible to infer who a person's been with, or that they weren't where they say they were. This I've read could be a concern for people in abusive relationships. By collecting any data that's not strictly necessary increases any potential issue significantly. In one article it stated the date, time, distance and duration of time with the contact.

If encryption does work, with an app that stores data locally, when a person's mobile phone connects to a nearby phone, the only data that need be collected could be the mobile number. That mobile number along with any other data such as length of connection, could then be encrypted and stored on the mobile phone. Contract tracers could then use the list of phone numbers to follow up those who had potentially been exposed. All data encrypted and stored locally on the mobile phone. Nothing collected that wasn't necessary and much less exposure.

Today I also say a last minute change in the legislation and this is a reminder we are talking about legislation that can be changed in future and that doesn't mean it won't change.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/virus-app-bill-introduced-to-parliament/7ad5d23f-8b19-4554-a1e5-edb78329dd12

The change was "People could refuse to allow others into their home if they didn't have the app" and that means having or not having the app has started to potentially impose restrictions on people. Earlier it's been mentioned "Under the proposed privacy laws, business owners can't ban or refuse to serve people if they don't have the app", but that begs the question, what about other organisation that aren't business owners such as schools or other government entities. Is it possible we won't be allowed to drive on public roads if we don't have the app installed? Once the government starts including one rule that imposes a restriction or reduces the rights of a person it potentially opens up the ability to impose further restrictions or reducing people's rights. To me this is very concerning.

One piece of information I thought I'd mention is the app uses an ID to store on another person's phone. The ID is stored encrypted. The ID is generated and refreshed after two hours. The problem is if the person isn't connected to the internet the ID does not get refreshed. Some articles have reported two hours is a long time and could be used to track people. If you think about it most trips you take to get somewhere will be less than two hours so with access to the data it may be possible to track people in some form. What this also tells me is the app is communicating with a government run server/service and this can be monitoring our use and in fact the communities use of the app pretty much in real time. My mind starts to wonder what other information can be recorded and collected when a device is using the internet on an ongoing basis such as the IP address. All this metadata is outside that collected by the app and may not be covered by the legislation.

The following are some articles I found interesting and thought others might as well.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/covidsafe-app-data-yet-to-be-used-bluetooth-fix-reliant-on-apple-google/news-story/748f12bdf35179705b6d4e86c2da34db

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/us-access-of-covidsafe-data-not-conceivable-but-legal-advice-not-released-20200506-p54qff.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-02/coronavirus-app-currently-not-fully-operational/12208924

https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/678801/covidsafe-explained-everything-need-know-about-australian-government-coronavirus-app/

https://techsafety.org.au/resources/resources-women/covid-19-tracker-app-advice-for-survivors/

https://www.smartcompany.com.au/coronavirus/covidsafe-tracking-app-secure/

https://www.ag.gov.au/RightsAndProtections/Privacy/Pages/COVIDSafelegislation.aspx


Issues with other apps

I thought I'd raise one issue that may be a concern for some people. I read the COVIDSafe app may interfere with other apps people may run such as a medical monitoring app. If this is possible it may be wise to use the COVIDSafe app on a separate mobile device.

I'll continue to update this post with information I find relating to the COVIDSafe app.

As a final comment keep in mind tha COVIDSafe app gives you one thing you can't get any other way. If the app is working then if someone who has the app is in your vicinity and is later shown to have been infected, your contact details will be available to the health department and they'll be able to contact you. That is a very good benefit as it lets you know you've been exposed and then you can take precautions to protect yourself, your family and others.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Update: 14/05/2020
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/some-improvements-required-covidsafe-bill-parliament

Update: 16/05/2020
Using a Bluetooth scanner app on an Samsung S7 I wanted to see if I could see two Apple iPhones. Without COVIDSafe installed the scanner app did not locate either of the iPhones. Once the COVIDSafe app was installed on each of the iPhones the scanner could detect both of the iPhones and determine one was an iPhone 6S and one was an iPhone 7. Once the iPhone's screened locked and the COVIDSafe app went into the background the scanner could no longer see the iPhones. This leans towards confirming issues with Apple iPhones when the COVIDSafe app is not currently running on the screen.

Update: 21/05/2020
If you haven't updated the COVIDSafe app (perhaps you have automatic updates turned off) it's a good idea to update the app. Found the following information which contains information on updates.
https://www.dta.gov.au/news/next-release-covidsafe-live

Update: 24/05/2020
I've visually checked the files in an Android mobile and not currently found any information that is clear text that would give me information as to what mobile phones are around me. This isn't to say there isn't, but if people are using basic tools in the mobile phone to check folders and files, they may not easily find any information.

Update: 18/06/2020

The following news article shows how the government mislead us as to how effective the COVIDSafe app really was on iPhones when it was released. I still doubt how effective it is on iPhones. If you read the articles you'll see they mention keeping one iPhone unlocked to get moderate performance if the other iPhone is locked. The reality is most people walk around with their mobile phones locked. I doubt COVIDSafe on the iPhone in normal use is effective at all.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/covidsafe-app-worked-less-than-25-of-the-time-on-locked-iphones-at-launch/news-story/ea179d7f13daf70867cceec6a39841b9

However, having said that, what I'd suggest is when you enter an area where's there's other people, open the COVIDSafe app on your iPhone and don't let your iPhone lock. That way you improve the chances of other mobile phones being detected.

Update: 30/06/2020

The following article shows the COVIDSafe app has hardly been used.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/despite-6-million-downloads-the-covidsafe-app-is-yet-to-detect-any-unknown-coronavirus-contacts

Through my own testing and watching downloads it makes sense the COVIDSafe app isn't getting useful results. First with downloads I can't be sure but based on early numbers of downloads I'd suspect about two thirds are iPhones. I tested an iPhone 7, iPhone 6s and Samsung Galaxy A20 recently and the iPhone 7 was not able to be detected using a Bluetooth scanner if the iPhone was left and locked the screen. In addition I recently visited the Apple store in Doncaster and did a Bluetooth scan. Only one iPhone visible. Not one additional person to alert as a contact in Victoria shows something is seriously wrong and the app is simply not performing. Try it yourself. Download a Bluetooth scanner app and see how many phones around you, you can detect.

What the app needs is visible feedback it is working. Right now you have no idea if it's working or not. Give me a count of the number of devices found around me and how many have been in contact for the required time. If I walk into a restaurant and there's no phone detected that lets me know the app isn't helping me in any way. Currently the blind assumption it's working doesn't cut it for me.

For example if I walk into a restaurant I'd like to think the owner or staff have a phone recording those in the restaurant, including me, so if someone in the restaurant is infected I'd get notified. Right now I can't be sure the app is doing anything useful and the lack of results for contact tracing is confirming it probably isn't doing anything useful.

Update: 9 July 2020

I can't help feeling the COVIDSafe app has been a waste of time and money. The real issue is many Apple users are given a false sense of security when using the app and that is a worry if it encourages them to undertake risky activity because they feel safer. This is an example of where the government has not kept us informed. Apple iPhone users could use a spare Android mobile phone to keep them safer if they knew this was a problem.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/07/08/covidfail-app/

Apple users should assume the COVIDSafe app does not work until they are given a clear guarantee from the government it does work. The media has picked up that Scott Morrison mentioned the COVIDSafe app once in the last fortnight yet prior to that, it was key to keeping Australians safe. This is a clear indication the government knows more than they are letting people know.

Based on my very rough estimate of downloads stats I'd estimate around two thirds of the roughly six millions downloads have been Apple users. Potentially that means up to 4 million people with an app that doesn't work as promoted. Leaving just two million Android users with a working app. That's going to be under 20% of phone users and far less than is needed for the COVIDSafe app to be useful.

Update: 10 July 2020

The following shares a business and their team's experience with the COVIDSafe app where one team member tested positive. Given that all team members have the COVIDSafe app and spend time together, no one else was notified as a close contact by the Health Department. This is a further indication the COVIDSafe app is not working as we've been told. The one question I would have is, "what type of phones do they have?"

https://www.news.com.au/news/melbourne-man-claims-covidsafe-tracking-app-failed-to-notify-him-about-close-contact-with-positive-case/news-story/9b3b13bf1a9a284fc765c724c3885c9d

Update: 14/07/2020

Another article showing people in high-risk situations not getting alerts.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-covidsafe-tracing-app-labelled-a-failure-after-not-helping-identify-potentially-exposed-people/2698ebf0-31fd-488f-a4e7-2afbb276a303

Update: 3 August 2020

COVIDSafe app finds two cases.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/covidsafe-app-helps-identify-two-new-coronavirus-cases-in-sydney/131d1689-faca-4775-a279-ae2f7e867b04

Update: 10 August 2020

Today the COVIDSafe was promoted for the recent success of finding 544 contacts with two being positive. The trouble is this is exactly the same news that came out a week ago. If you weren't following the news you'd think the COVIDSafe app was finding more contacts. With over 7 million people downloading the app and hundreds of cases in Victoria a day, it's hard to imagine why the COVIDSafe app is not finding more contacts.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-covidsafe-app-nsw-sydney-outbreaks-tracking-hundreds-contacts-health-authorities-tech/047b61ba-7315-432b-a1c3-761a595fe556#close

Update:22 October 2020

I thought this article had some good information on numbers detected by the COVIDSafe app.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6960916/an-almost-antiquated-phone-technology-has-become-an-unlikely-hero-in-2020/

Locks like there's been 14 close contacts but no cases found in NSW and no cases anywhere else.. With current estimates of COVIDSafe costing close to $6 million, that's lot of money for very little return.

The real irony is the COVIDSafe app could be useful. The worst feature is it offers no feedback it's actually doing anything. However it could easily be used when people go to restaurant or business. That way people don't have to provide their contact details. With visible feedback that would enable people to see they've at least connected with someone such as the owner of the business or a senior staff member. No need to collecting anyone's data.

Update 5 November 2020

COVIDSafe app has been of no material benefit according to the SA Police Chief.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-04/coronavirus-covidsafe-app-effectiveness-questioned-by-sa-police/12846556

Update 5 November 2020

It does look like using mobile phones and Bluetooth for contact tracing isn't cutting the mustard. In a study the Google-Apple API approach was shown their approach did not work on public transport. So it looks like it's not only Australia's COVIDSafe is less than useful.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3epje/google-and-apples-contact-tracing-api-doesnt-work-on-public-transport-study-finds

 

Update to Victorian restrictions for coronavirus / COVID-19

Today's the day many of us have waited for, the easing of some restrictions. I think most of us could see nothing was going to change before Mother's Day as to do so, would encourage a very large number of people to go out and meet. Perhaps the best of ideas given the current situation. Yes, it's not popular but that's the way it needs to be.

Today the government has pulled back the restrictions slightly whilst still encouraging us to stay at home if we can. Today's announcement now lets us visit family and friends and have them visit us, up to five people.

For me the main restriction is the ability for family to see each other. I think this should have been possible earlier since most people I know are self isolating, so the risk has been very small. However, just because we're like that and many other people are, there's still a reasonable number of people who aren't and thus the restrictions.

You can find details of the Premiers announcement on the government's website.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/statement-from-the-premier-38/

One thing that has disturbed me a little today is Daniel Andrews has stated in Victoria "we've never had any restrictions on how far you can travel". I find that hard to believe. Police have booked at least one person for travelling to exercise with their mountain bike (later withdrawn). Feels like there's a disconnect between what the Premier has said, or not said, and what the police force have been doing. Not a big deal but at least we now know there's no restriction on how far we can travel.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-live-coverage-staggered-work-times-to-avoid-covid-crush/live-coverage/eb19ad9cf818eb8014a3a031deaf3b5a

I also found the information posted by Simon Love (State Political Reporter - Network 10) was very handy. I suspect this would have been the handout provided to reporters. If you click on the image your can view the information in detail and step through the pages.

https://twitter.com/SimoLove/status/1259653489942126592/photo/1

I am honestly still confused as to what people can and can't do.

Can a person sit in a State park and read a book?

What does gathering mean? Can the up to 10 people gathering in public mean they can have a BBQ?

Can I buy takeaway and sit in my car and eat it?

When I see police in NSW driving police cars through parks and telling a person reading a book by themselves to move on, it just concerns me what police will do and how they will interpret the rules. After all, try to fight a $1,600 fine in court if you think you're not doing anything wrong. It's simply not worth your time or the risk where you might even incur a greater court cost.

If you're doing something where you're not in contact with other people there shouldn't be an issue, but that doesn't mean you're allowed to do it.

The statement from the Premier saying there's never been a limit on how far you can travel is only obtained by reporters asking questions. I don't think that should be necessary.


Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Early cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) I thought were interesting and worth sharing.

I've been reading a number of articles which indicate earlier cases of coronavirus and thought the articles worth recording and sharing with others.

In the following article there were 10,000 athletes who visited Wuhan 20 days before the first case of coronavirus in Wuhan. Many of the athletes became sick. It would be interesting to test the athletes for antibodies to see if any had coronavirus.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/coronavirus-theory-virus-hit-europe-after-athletes-competed-in-wuhan/news-story/0eff8f20123f23aa445a085a97d8db9b

In the following article a French person had coronavirus in December 2019. The article states it was before the first official cases in Wuhan. Although the above article states the first Wuhan case was in November so there's inconsistency in articles. The French man had no connection to China.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/new-evidence-on-french-covid-19-patient-suggests-virus-may-not-have-started-in-china-c-1021446

If I find other such articles I'll update this post with links.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Melbourne Petrol Price Hike Alert - Unleaded petrol increasing to around 119.9.

Two nights ago I noticed the first signs of the petrol price hike. Some petrol stations had increased to 121.9 and others to 119.9. Today it looks like the new price is going to be around 119.9.

The current gate price (think wholesale price) is 89.9. The gate price has been slowly increasing since April 20, when the gate price was 80.5. The price hike for unleaded petrol is around 30 cents per litre which is lower than it has been for many months. Typical price hikes recently have been around 40 cents per litre or more. Perhaps it's because the price of unleaded petrol is low, a 40 cent price increase could really get some bad press.

It's now time to keep an eye on petrol prices and fill up when the price is still low. Also keep in mind the & Eleven Fuel app enables you to lock in 7 Eleven fuel prices for an additional week. Recently 7 Eleven changed their offer so you no longer need to have credit on your rewards card to take advantage of locking in the cheaper petrol prices.

I can't help thinking we're not going to see such low prices, perhaps ever in my lifetime. The coronavirus has certainly had a major impact in many ways.

Even less with a discount voucher.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.PetrolPricesMelbourne.com.au

Deeming Calculator updated with new deeming rates from May 1, 2020

The Deeming Calculator has now been updated to reflect the recent change in deeming rates.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.DeemingCalculator.com.au

Meadowglen Primary School and Cedar Meats Australia coronavirus further information.

Last night I read two articles about positive coronavirus cases. One was for the case at Meadowglen Primary School in Epping and the other for the cluster at Cedar Meats Australia in Brooklyn.

First a big thank you to the management of Cedar Meats Australia for letting the general public know the cluster is related to their workers. It really is good to know as it means we as the general public don't have to guess or worry. Knowledge gives us certainty. The government isn't giving us this knowledge so it really is appreciated when companies and individuals share their story. This is a pandemic. It is no one's fault if they get infected. None of us can help it if we get infected. That's just the way it is.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/coronavirus-victorian-cases-climb-cedar-meats-abattoir-brooklyn/12209776

What to me has been interesting is to see the Cedar Meats cluster is related to the Sunshine Hospital case that was reported on the April 29.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-29/coronavirus-patient-sunshine-hospital-and-melbourne-childcare/12198054

The worker from Cedar Meats went into hospital for surgery on Thursday the 23rd of April due to a workplace accident and later developed a cough on the weekend of the 25/26. Four coworkers later tested positive for COVID-19. In all there's no been 43 workers from Cedar Meats to test positive for COVID-19.

Given the Victorian State government is pushing hard to test 100,000 people over two weeks, you have to wonder why they don't test people from companies where there's been more than one person infected.

The second is the retired music school teacher who went into the school to record some videos for online teaching.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-victorian-government-to-shut-down-school/12209794

I have to thank The Age and Keith Campbell, the teacher on this occasion, for providing a more complete picture of what happened.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/pub-outbreak-leaves-primary-school-all-shook-up-20200504-p54pqa.html

Why this is interesting it appears Keith was infected at the Eagle bar (Eaglemont Cellars) between the 15th and 17th of March where Keith and his daughter performed as musicians.

Keith's daughter who was in the band with Keith got infected and was tested on the 31st of March and subsequently returned a positive result. Keith's granddaughter who is 9 was also infected and became very ill.

Keith tried three times to be tested but at that time his symptoms weren't considered bad enough to be tested.

The Eaglemont Cellars and Wine Bar have posted a reasonable amount of information relating to the timeline from their perspective on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/EaglemontCellars/posts/2605206636272950?__tn__=K-R

The following article was published about the cluster.

https://www.gold1043.com.au/lifestyle/real-estate-finance/five-cases-of-positive-coronavirus-tests-linked-to-melbourne-wine-bar/

Articles report it is felt the original infections occurred on the 14th of March when there was a birthday party held and there were a number of overseas guests from the UK. I could not find any solid confirmation of the original source being identified. Reportedly 30 cases have now been linked to the pub.

What is good from this article is a couple of things.

1. Testing has now been extended so someone like Keith could be tested and know if they have the virus.

2. Keith has provided an example of his granddaughter who contracted the virus and became seriously ill. This is very important as far too many people believe young people can't be infect or infect others.

3. Keith's test appears to be a false positive due to remnants of the virus in his system. It is important to keep in mind test results can end up being a false positive. If this is the case the school was closed for no reason. It is of course better to be safe than sorry.

Kelvin Eldridge
www.Mapz.com.au/coronavirusvictoria/

Update: 6/5/2020
According to the following article the first case connected with Cedar Meats was on the 2nd of April. The worker had not been at work for four weeks. The second and third cases nearly three weeks later, one being the person who went to Sunshine Hospital.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-abattoir-cluster-grows-but-is-it-all-bad-news-20200505-p54q1r.html

Another four cases connected to the Cedar Meats cluster.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-06/coronavirus-cases-in-victoria-rise-including-meatworks-cluster/12218540

Sour Cream & Onion Stacked Chips - Pringles vs Aldi vs Woolworths vs Coles

My first experience with stacked chips was I just had to try out the new Pringles. So different and I wasn't disappointed. It's been a long time since I've had stacked chips (times and interest changes), but then I thought, why not compare the stacked chips from Aldi, Coles, Woolworths and Pringles.

How does Pringles stack up to the others?

The flavour of choice - Sour Cream & Onion stacked chips.

The test team - 7 family members.

Each family member had a pen and sheet of paper and asked to give their feedback on the various stacked chips labelled A, B, C and D. Only I knew which was the Pringles, but I paid no attention to the others.

What was their favourite?

Were there any surprises?

The results

Family member 1 - Me
A - Slightly chewy
B - Slightly light in taste
C - Smaller
D - Nothing stood out
Overall - To me all pretty much the same.

Family member 2
A - Good
B - Better than good
C - Not as good
D - The best
Overall D the best and C the worst.

Family member 3
A - Little salty
B - Good
C - Not salty
D - Not bad. Want more
Overall - D was their favourite

Family member 4
A - More salty
B - Subtle
C - Bland, smaller yellow biscuit
D - Sour cream and flavour, colour.
Overall - D was the favourite and C was their least favourite

Family member 5
A - Thought to be Aldi. Third choice.
B - Strong flavour. Second choice
C - Fourth choice
D - Strong flavour. First choice
Overall - D first choice, C last choice

Family member 6
A - First
B - Third
C - Second
D - First
Overall D was the first choice.

Family member 7
A - Fourth
B - Second
C - Third
D - First choice
Overall - D was the first choice.

Overall D was the first choice for everyone who had a preference. Interestingly a couple of people stated C was their least favourite.

Which chips were which?

A = Aldi - Sprinters Snack Stack Stacked Chips, Sour Cream & Onion, 160g - $1.59
B - Coles - Sour Cream & Onion Stacked Chips, 160g - $1.80
C - Pringles, Sour Cream & Onion, 134g - $4 (on special for $3)
D - Woolworths - Sour Cream & Onion Flavoured Stacked Chips, 160g - $1.80

When everyone was told the Pringles stacked chip was C, there was a surprising outcry of no way. Some saying that was my worst. Quite a few people were shocked. I was quite surprised by the response.

Summary

Whilst this taste test is by no means scientific, from out family members' testing of the stacked chips, the real surprise was the Pringles was the least preferred. The favourite by all six who had a preference was D, which was the Woolworths stacked chip.

Given Pringles costs more than twice as much as the other brands, and is around 16% smaller, the Pringles stacked chips did not stack up well. The Woolworths was the top of the stack.

I hope you've enjoyed the Sour Cream & Onion flavoured stacked chips taste test. Next time perhaps try the Woolworths brand.

I should add this taste test is not sponsored by anyone other than myself. And yes I did get to finish off what was left over. Something I perhaps shouldn't have done.

Kelvin Eldridge

Aldi Titan bar versus Mars bar.

In this test two of us had half an Aldi Titan bar and half a Mars bar.

Person 1 - Blind test
Prefers Titan to Mars
Titan looks better
Seems like Titan has more caramel

Person 2 - Me, knew the products
Both very similar
Titan has a slightly grainy texture but only slight.
Mars a little more gooey
Happy with either
Both sickly sweet

Price information
Aldi Titan bar 60g - 69 cents
Mars bar from Coles 53g - $2, half price special $1

Overall, since the Aldi Titan bar was preferred by one person and equal with the Mars bar for the other person, the Aldi Titan bar could easily be purchased instead of the Mars bar. From a price point of view the Aldi Titan bar is nearly a third of the normal retail price of the Mars bar from Coles and the Mars bar is actually smaller at 53g versus 69g.

Based on this information the Aldi Titan bar is by far the clear winner.

Kelvin Eldridge